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Students Produce Podcast Featuring an Undercover Agent Credited with Disrupting One of the WorldӰԭs Most Notorious Drug Cartels

Having the chance to find out how the worldӰԭs best criminal investigators do what they do while learning how to create a popular true crime podcast is an experience like no other, students say.

October 3, 2022

By Jackie Hennessey, contributing writer


Arianna Timmins Ӱԭ25 and Declan Hill, D.Phil., at WNHU.
Arianna Timmins Ӱԭ25 and Declan Hill, D.Phil., at WNHU.

On the first day of his Crime Waves Podcast honors course, Declan Hill, D.Phil., asked for a volunteer to take the lead on an episode with , the undercover agent who helped to take down Pablo Escobar and the Medellin cartel.

ӰԭI said, ӰԭyouӰԭll have to read Robert MazurӰԭs two books (The Infiltrator and The Betrayal), watch the two films based on the books, and review every interview he has done,Ӱԭ Dr. Hill recounted. ӰԭӰԭAnd youӰԭll have three days to do it.ӰԭӰԭ

Arianna Timmins Ӱԭ25, a criminal justice major, immediately raised her hand, and, over the next 36 hours, she read MazurӰԭs books, watched the movies, and pored over the interviews. When the podcast date was postponed to late September, she didnӰԭt miss a beat and was more than ready to co-produce the episode.

ӰԭIӰԭve never had a class like this in my whole academic experience,Ӱԭ Timmins says. ӰԭMy goal is to be in the FBI one day. To be able to learn from the people who have caught some of the most infamous criminals in the world, to learn their experiences, their techniques, itӰԭs such a great experience.Ӱԭ

ӰԭEverything he said had value to me.Ӱԭ

Producing the episode was everything sheӰԭd imagined. ӰԭI was nervous going into the interview, but from the moment Mr. Mazur started talking, it felt like I was talking to any normal person, not an undercover DEA agent who took down two cartels,Ӱԭ Timmins says. ӰԭEverything he said had value to me, and I will keep all of it in mind as I enter my career. The most interesting part was when he discussed how he creates an undercover identity. It must be solid and unbreakable, or else your cover will be blown in the field.Ӱԭ

The honors course draws criminal justice, forensic science, and communications students who work on , a popular podcast across all platforms, with 12,000 to 15,000 listeners.

"He teaches us how to use the sound board, how to edit audio Ӱԭ everything about podcasting."Arianna Timmins Ӱԭ25

They learn about criminal investigations from Dr. Hill, one of the worldӰԭs foremost experts on match fixing and corruption in international sports, as well as the guests, whoӰԭve included some of the biggest gets in the field Ӱԭ such as Mazur and Donnie Brasco, Ӱԭthe most successful undercover agent in U.S. law enforcementӰԭ who infiltrated the Colombo and Bonanno crime families, leading to hundreds of convictions Ӱԭ and from University faculty, renowned experts in criminal investigations and forensic science.

ӰԭWeӰԭre trying to teach our students to be the best investigators in the world,Ӱԭ Dr. Hill says. ӰԭWhat better way to do that than by bringing in great investigators and saying, ӰԭhereӰԭs how you do undercover work.ӰԭӰԭ

ӰԭThis class is an extremely unique, out-of-the-box experienceӰԭ

As Olivia Hall, Ӱԭ25, a criminal justice major with a concentration in investigative services, notes, ӰԭThis class is an extremely unique, out-of-the-box experience, and, upon starting the class, you immediately get thrown into the deep end of the world of podcasting.Ӱԭ

They learn the art of it from Bruce Barber, a professor-in-residence, general manager of 88.7 WNHU, the UniversityӰԭs award-winning radio station, and executive producer of Crime Waves.

ӰԭHe teaches us how to use the sound board, how to edit audio Ӱԭ everything about podcasting,Ӱԭ Timmins says. She says she loves working in a relatively new medium and in true crime Ӱԭwhich my generation is really into.Ӱԭ

ӰԭThese are essential communications skillsӰԭ

Dr. Hill says the students have made an immediate impact on the podcast. For one of the first assignments, he asked them to watch five earlier episodes and present ideas on what could be done better. ӰԭOlivia Hall had ideas that we are already incorporating into this season,Ӱԭ Dr. Hill says.

Hall noticed that while the podcasts were gripping and interesting, assumptions were sometimes made regarding the background knowledge listeners might have.

ӰԭDr. Hill is a well-informed expert in this area and, while he has all kinds of previous knowledge about criminal enterprises and cases, the average listener does not,Ӱԭ Hall says. ӰԭAs an average listener myself, I was sometimes lost in the middle of an episode because I wasnӰԭt sure how the dots connected. It is important to provide the listener with every detail possible, so they can establish an understanding of the case at hand.Ӱԭ

That led to the creation of a Ӱԭclean earsӰԭ producer Ӱԭ a student in the class who doesnӰԭt know Ӱԭany information about the episode, who the guest is, what the topic is, or the specific case,Ӱԭ Hall explains. That person listens as the podcast is being produced to Ӱԭmake sure that everything is making sense and staying on track.Ӱԭ

As the semester moves on, students are researching criminal investigators and pitching episode ideas to Dr. Hill, and the class and will produce and even host episodes. Says Hall, ӰԭThese are essential communication skills that I will carry with me throughout my career and life.Ӱԭ